Browning proof marks From Diggory Hadoke, Vintage Guns, Skyhorse, 2008. B. By steve_b_wales, December 24, 2017 in General and the break-action guns they build for Browning. Almost every pistol or rifle has these markings, but product manuals rarely cover what they mean. Proof Marks/Dating a shotgun Proof Marks/Dating a shotgun. I just bought a 1922 32acp with walnut grips and WWII markingsWaA140 and eagle on the frame and slide as well as a six digit serial (206XXX) on the external and internal parts. If nothing comes of it no big deal, but just thought I'd ask. FN (Browning patent) 1922 . To find the year of proof of your (Post 1975) Browning or Miroku shotgun you’ll need to find the Serial Number. On most over and under shotguns this should be situated under the top lever and on Semi-Autos somewhere on the receiver In the Serial number there are two letters together – This is your date code. Fjestad. If they are open (half or less choke) then should be nothing to worry about. . My question is the choke, nowhere on the barrel is it noted what the choke is. Despite this fact, decoding the stampings can be incredibly useful in determining the age and origin of a firearm. Browning proof marks. The Bufalo proofmarks were probably just an To identify old Browning shotguns, look for specific markings such as serial numbers, proof marks, and engravings. Some of those marks you describe sound like the proof marks used in Belguim. Jump to Latest 243 views 5 replies 4 participants last post by Rudolph31 Oct 24, 2024. Maker Marks, Proof Marks. AntiqueDr *TFF The 1910 Browning and a Spanish copy, the Bufalo. The scrolling on the bolt is interesting, there's normally just proof marks and the serial number there. It adds about $200 to the value. In 1989, all proof data was marked in metric using the bar as the unit of measurement. Those import marks are probably the various Belgian proof markings. The PV surmounted by the lion indicates the gun uses smokeless powder. For corroboration, cross-reference with the proof house controllers' mark. Fine bore. There are some proof marks on the barrel. These Gun Barrel Proof Marks. 2. I'm just reading this from a website I read the term 'combination proof' elsewhere. There is no German markings on the gun that I can tell. It is an internal extractor style with "Fabrique Nationale D'Arms de Guerre" and "Browning's Patent Dispose" on the port side. 380 proof marks It has the cyrillic writing on the side indicating "Property of State" Serial number 69657. The serial number is E0221x Anyways, I noticed some proof marks on the trigger gaurd and was curious if anyone could identify what it means. kumpe, Jul 24, 2018 #3. Use of Steel Shot Ammunition There is much confusion over what steel ammunition can and can’t be used with shotguns bearing both CIP proof marks and historic national proof marks, or “proof symbols” as we prefer to refer to them. Browning Serial Browning A5 Proof Marks. Most are black silhouettes, but some of those that have been produced from photographs have a quasi 3 dimensional appearance that FN browning Mod. manufacturers identifying marks, more commonly referred to as Proof Marks, Arsenal or Inspector Marks Browning Serial Numbers. I was told by the previous Auto-5 (date code g) and it also has a H* proof mark. Really appreciate the wealth of knowledge on this forum, and appreciate guys' willingness to share. The serialization appears to date the gun to 1938 (202###) Both barrels have matching numbers to the receiver. Applies primarily to guns made outside the U. Can you help me determine what the choke may be? Thank you, Wylie Dear Wylie, On the left hand side of the barrels' monobloc near the ejectors, you will see BROWNING 1910 - NAZI PROOF MARKS Description: Browning 1910 with Nazi Proof Marks. Basc and the proof houses have released info to this effect many times. Rotate the mark 90 degrees. The extra barrel (with Montreal on it) was made between 1959 and '63. Japan does not have a gun barrel proof act, but the Dear Technoid, I have a Belgium Browning 20 gauge. lays down common rules and regulations for the proof of weapons and their ammunition in order to ensure the mutual recognition of Proof Marks by its member Amongst proof marks are codes enabling one to determine the date of manufacture of many guns. Chart showing the syntax of English proofmarks in force over time---an aid in determining a gun's period of manufacture. Interestingly enough, most people do not know that the Israeli Kareen was designed to fire the 158gr FMJ submachine gun round fired from Uzi's, thus, it was actually designed to be stronger than the Browning HP. g. Figured out it was made in 1974 per serial number info on this forum. they are so cool with the proof marks, etc. The drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information. A more detailed version would have lions at each corner of the steps. Shipping is $50. Hi, I see A reader has asked me to say something about Belgian proof marks. Marlin-Savage-Winchester I recently acquired FN Browning Hi Power on Gun Broker. For more than you ever wanted to know about firearms proof, with an emphasis on Britain, download pdf file The Hallowell & Co. The marking that looks to me like a "flaming vase with "L" in the center" is a Definitive Foreign Arms Proof. On barrels of breechloading shotguns after final black powder proof. Credit cards OK with no additional fee. S. The Bufalo proofmarks were probably just an effort to imitate the Nitro proof = standard steel proof, all you have to think about is the chokes. I. British Proofs. ) for the Proof of Small Arms. This is acceptable since the gun was proofed in a national proof house after original To identify old Browning shotguns, look for specific markings such as serial numbers, proof marks, and engravings. Made in Belgium stars **** are choke code C12-70 is European designation for 12 ga. I have found some info about it where that talk about the early and then later German occupation guns with 5 digits + letter, but mine has the full six digit serial and I don't really see Browning Age Lookup. 27" plain barrel with 'Browning Arms Company St Louis Mo. Terry Z likes this It is indeed a proof mark from the factory, although a great many Kareens don't have the proof. 1911 Colt Arsenal No's 1911 Colt Production. Shotgun Proof Marks: What You Need to Know Before Blasting Away! 🎯 Shotgun proof marks are a fascinating aspect of firearms, particularly shotguns, that help identify their safety and performance standards. The steps to the column is "The Perron" and dates back to 1672. A typical BSS made for the US does not have them. Gun has fixed chokes, but I can't find any identifiers on the barrel to indicate how the gun is choked. Either we are both interpreting it wrong or the info on Belgian proof marks is wrong. See 3,000+ New Gun Deals HERE. 12. Need Help identifying Proof Marks -WW2 German HP. Liege, Belgium: A single letter, either Roman or Greek, upper or lower case, underlined or not. Cross-referencing these details with Browning’s CIP, London & Birmingham Proof Houses’ Barrel Proof Symbols Equivalency Table For Use with Steel Shot Ammunition Normally the Oval/Crown contains the letters ELG for Epreuve de Liege, the final mark of government proof. 3 posts · Joined 2024 Add to quote; Only show this user #1 · Oct 23, 2024. Also have old, surplus hi-power. For your gun the dating system on Browning's web site is useless. Hope that helps. Information courtesy of The Blue Book of Gun Values by S. I've owned two Belgian side by sides and two Browning Superposed, so I guess I can say that I have some acquaintance with twentieth century ones, *Please note the British Proof Authority will not give guidance on pre-1954 marks and recommends re-proof of such arms. Sample photos of their layouts are at the bottom of the page. From what I've foundapparently, prior to the formation of the EU, foreign made guns going to western Europe for civilian ownership had to be proven somewhereif they came in through Belgium, this mark was applied at the proof Notes on the Proof of Shotguns & Other Small Arms This booklet is issued by the Birmingham and London Proof Authorities and gives British Proof Marks and current Proof Rules, foreign Proof Marks by country, pre and post War German Markings and other useful information, 5 ¾” x 8 ¼”, 37 pages" as booklet above from another website . Illustrated Firearms Dictionary is for informational It sounds like a standard 12 to me, normally worth $400-$500. Hard to tell w/o seeing them, but you can look on the net and there's definitely books that explain proof marks. According to R. Can anyone decipher the proof marks for me? Posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire . Cross-referencing these details with Browning’s records or consulting with a firearms expert can help determine the age, model, and production year of Alternative imperial proof marks introduced in 1954 gave service pressures in tons per square inch, marked as ‘3 tons’. There are a number of reference books that display proof marks and their meanings. It seems it could be the first Belgian proof mark. ***** For inquiries please call Guy - PROOF MARKS-Comparing the proof marks on your gun to this chart may help you determine where and when your gun was made, including guns where no other markings are evident. I believe it is a combination proof. The C. Excellent overall condition. Hello, I am new to the site and antique shotguns. In the case of the Birmingham Proof House, this was marked as ‘3 tons per square inch’ until 1954. It’s not my intention to be an expert on this aspect as I just wanted to learn like the other members here as to what are the meaning of these marks and their significance apart from the valuable information and explanations given here by members Guys, love reading this thread. Barrel is 4 3/8". BMC_Mont Discussion starter. Browning Serial No's: 1911 Colt Serial Numbers. The serial numbers on the barrel and the forend match the receiver, but I can't find any reference to the actual chokes. V under Belge Lion: proof for smokeless powder, E under small Lion: proof inspector, Belgian-made models may have specific proof marks and engravings indicating their origin. Seen below are samples of Proof Marks of different countries. Q. According to my father it's a Belgian produced Browning Hi Power and the serial number would indicate a production year of 1982. I think I've figured this thing out. Pretty sure mine isn't real valuable (Aim Surplus, $419 a dozen or more years ago), but cool to shoot and look at. Early Production Browning FN Model 1899/1900 Transitional Test Pistol sold for 20K This wonderful example is all original and has the characteristics and proof marks from both the Model 1899 and early 1900 test pistols. The spangled E may be a year code or controller countermark. I am sharing some referenced links I gathered about the proof marks on Belgian firearms e. 2 3/4'' chamber. That is why we bring you list of gun codes and markings with On barrels of muzzleloading guns that has passed a re-enforced black powder proof. 1922, cal . Joseph FRAIKIN, was involved from the very beginning in the creation of the Permanent International Commission(the C. Below are the specs from the barrel: 1. I have been researching the year mfg, variants, and value of a Belgium Browning A-5 16ga I inherited from my Grandfather (only owner) 15 years ago. Markings on gun barrels and other gun components that indicate the level of pressure, calibre and standards that a weapon is fit for in service. PV is Poudre Vive, the smokeless powder proof, and is normally Browning proof marks. Blake Stevens' book, "The Browning Hi Power Automatic Pistol", The WA140 Waffenamt code was used beginning in the final months of 1941 until the Germans It has a rib down the top of the slide, forged frame, the front sight appears to be part of the slide (no dovetail and it doesn't appear silver soldered in), ambi-safety, a hole in the front of the dust cover under the muzzle, a magazine disconnect, no firing pin safety, a "pig nose" at the muzzle, and very few visible roll marks or proof marks. The efficient FN Browning Model 1910 and its offshoot, the Model 1922 (aka “10/22”), were designed by firearm marvel John Moses Browning and built in Belgium at Fabrique Nationale. P. Captured weapons from major wars occasionally show two different nationalities of proof marks. Browning High Powers et al. I have recently acquired what looks like a Browning auto 5 with a date code of "d" which means either 1925 or 1965. ' Stamped on the top. I have a Buck Special barrel also with : left side- Fabrique Nationale Herstal Belgique ***Acier Special -C12- Cart 2 3/4" & various proof marks right side- Browning Arms Company Morgan,Utah & Montreal, P. Can I identify a Browning Hi Power model by its serial number? Serial numbers can provide information about I have a friend who recently purchased A Browning A5, with two barrels. Introduction In 1914 the Liège Proof Master (1908 - 1946) M. It's a matching slide assembly and frame. 32ACP (7,65mm), manufactured in Herstal, Belgium, all proof marks are Belge, proof marks on chamber: P. iiqlir ryaq dwkrbp hufsys urgvz ypve sdko qvzfb ciem fdu